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		<title><![CDATA[Adventures with ultra-cheap ZigBee lightbulbs]]></title>
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				<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terence Eden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Oct 2024 11:34:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The people who built my kitchen were idiots. They designed it to be lit with a dozen recessed GU10 spotlights. That&#039;s not so terrible - GU10 LED bulbs are only about £1 each - but because I am a bigger idiot, I decided I wanted remote-controlled bulbs.  And ZigBee bulbs are expensive!  Five years ago, feeling flush with cash, I replaced all the bulbs with a mixture of Hue and Innr Smart bulbs. …]]></description>
										<content:encoded>&lt;p&gt;The people who built my kitchen were idiots. They designed it to be lit with a dozen recessed GU10 spotlights. That's not &lt;em&gt;so&lt;/em&gt; terrible - &lt;a href="https://amzn.to/4dkN8wW"&gt;GU10 LED bulbs are only about £1 each&lt;/a&gt; - but because I am a &lt;em&gt;bigger&lt;/em&gt; idiot, I decided I wanted remote-controlled bulbs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And ZigBee bulbs are &lt;em&gt;expensive!&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Five years ago, feeling flush with cash, I replaced all the bulbs with &lt;a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2019/11/mixing-hue-and-innr-smart-lights/"&gt;a mixture of Hue and Innr Smart bulbs&lt;/a&gt;. Last week, two of the bulbs died. No explosions or release of magic smoke - they just became unresponsive and I lack the skills to fix complex electronics.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I looked at some replacements. &lt;a href="https://amzn.to/3ZwmqOT"&gt;Hue bulbs are £31 per pair&lt;/a&gt; - that's about 15x more expensive than buying a regular bulb. The cheaper &lt;a href="https://amzn.to/3MUlCfh"&gt;Innr bulbs are about a tenner each&lt;/a&gt;. Still a bit much.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What about non-branded ZigBee lights? On eBay I found &lt;a href="https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/355933545569"&gt;a single GU10 for £8&lt;/a&gt; and, if I was prepared to buy in bulk, &lt;a href="https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/387380711554"&gt;£60 for 10&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That's getting better - but still a premium on a boring non-smart bulb.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So I went looking for a Shenzhen special on AliExpress - and hit the jackpot!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There, I found a &lt;a href="https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DFLzVVn"&gt;ZigBee GU10 bulb for £4&lt;/a&gt;! The price seems to fluctuate between £3 and £5 - but there are plenty of sellers with close-to-identical products priced less than a fiver.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/lampbox.jpg" alt="A box for a GU10 colour changing lightbulb." width="1024" height="768" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-53370"&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The bulb took a few days to arrive from China. I plugged it in, searched for it in the Hue app, and it was added. Less than a minute later I was able to bark "Alexa! Turn on the kitchen lights!" - it responded at the same time as all its brethren.  It is also colour changeable - unlike the Hue and Innr models.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The labelling says it is by eWeLink and, as expected, it has warm white and colour changing LEDs. Total power of 5 Watts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/gu10.jpg" alt="GU10 bulb with silkscreen writing." width="1024" height="576" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-53371"&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But that's not all! AliExpress will quite often plunge price certain items to entice you to become a customer. I picked up &lt;a href="https://s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DlxatqD"&gt;another bulb for 77p&lt;/a&gt;! It was limited to one per customer - but that was good enough for me!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;My sub-quid bulb arrived and… Yeah, identical to the first. Plugged in, paired quickly, turned into a disco bulb with a couple of taps. Oh, and because shipping on the 2nd bulb was delayed, I got a £1 voucher. So, I guess, technically it was free? So I bought another.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Here's what they look like in situ:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/RGB-Lights.jpg" alt="3 light bulbs. One is red, one green, one blue." width="888" height="666" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-53481"&gt;

&lt;p&gt;They do a range of RGB colours - and will also do white at a variety of shades. They dim. They react quickly. They're cheap.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Will these bulbs last as long as the others? Considering the price, I'm not sure I care! If you buy from a UK store on eBay, there's probably slightly more chance of recompense if things do go wrong. But if you're happy to wait for delivery from China - those cheap AliExpress bulbs are probably fine.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, there you go. For a couple of quid, you can get a generic colour-changing ZigBee light which is compatible with Philips Hue.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2 id="faq"&gt;&lt;a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2024/10/adventures-with-ultra-cheap-zigbee-lightbulbs/#faq"&gt;FAQ&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;h3 id="just-use-a-lightswitch"&gt;&lt;a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2024/10/adventures-with-ultra-cheap-zigbee-lightbulbs/#just-use-a-lightswitch"&gt;juST use A ligHTswiTch&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Our kitchen is big. The lightswitches are far away. Also, I don't want them covered with cake-batter when I'm cooking.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3 id="get-a-smart-lightswitch"&gt;&lt;a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2024/10/adventures-with-ultra-cheap-zigbee-lightbulbs/#get-a-smart-lightswitch"&gt;gEt a sMarT LIGhtSWItCh&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Most UK homes don't have a neutral wire to the switch. That makes it hard to use smart-switches. The ones which work without neutral don't work with dimmable bulbs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3 id="what-about-the-carbon-footprint-of-shipping"&gt;&lt;a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2024/10/adventures-with-ultra-cheap-zigbee-lightbulbs/#what-about-the-carbon-footprint-of-shipping"&gt;WhAt AbOuT ThE carbon FOotprINt Of shipping?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Even a regular bulb would have been shipped from far away.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h3 id="privacy-and-security-is-important"&gt;&lt;a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2024/10/adventures-with-ultra-cheap-zigbee-lightbulbs/#privacy-and-security-is-important"&gt;PRIVaCY AnD secuRItY is iMpORtAnt&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h3&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Yes it is. ZigBee bulbs don't have a way to "phone home" and are relatively resistant to being hacked.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title><![CDATA[Hacking your Smart Meter - Part 1 - Zigbee]]></title>
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				<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terence Eden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2020 11:55:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a new Smart Meter to measure my electricity and gas usage. It&#039;s the Honeywell AS302P.  It&#039;s a SMETS2 meter, which means it has a number of interesting features.   ALCS (Auxiliary Load Control Switch) - this means that a car charger can be remotely started and stopped based on network demand. DCC connection - this means it can report back to my energy supplier every 30 minutes, and I can…]]></description>
										<content:encoded>&lt;p&gt;I have a new Smart Meter to measure my electricity and gas usage. It's the Honeywell AS302P.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It's a SMETS2 meter, which means it has a number of interesting features.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/579774/291116_-_Smart_meters__Demand_Side_Response_leaflet_-_DR_-_FINAL.PDF"&gt;ALCS (Auxiliary Load Control Switch)&lt;/a&gt; - this means that a car charger can be remotely started and stopped based on network demand.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.smartdcc.co.uk/"&gt;DCC connection&lt;/a&gt; - this means it can report back to my energy supplier every 30 minutes, and I can swap between providers quickly.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;High resolution usage - this means I can be &lt;a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2019/04/is-a-smart-electricity-tariff-worth-it/"&gt;charged on multiple time of day tariffs&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But, most importantly to me, it is &lt;a href="https://zigbeealliance.org/zigbee_products/?product_type=certified_product&amp;amp;se=as302p"&gt;Zigbee certified&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The meter offers ZigBee Communications for tunnelling information to the Comms Hub and to provide Customer Information for use with Type 1 or Type 2 Devices.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This means it can connect to a &lt;a href="https://www.silabs.com/documents/public/white-papers/ZigBee-based-HANs-for-Energy-Management.pdf"&gt;HAN (Home Area Network)&lt;/a&gt; using the &lt;a href="https://zigbeealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/docs-07-5356-19-0zse-zigbee-smart-energy-profile-specification.pdf"&gt;ZigBee Smart Energy Profile (SEP) Version 1.2&lt;/a&gt;.  This is the thing which sends data to your in-home display hub.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, can we connect &lt;em&gt;anything&lt;/em&gt; to the Smart Meter?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Our first stop is the &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200924194541/https://ssebe.thegateinteractive.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/honeywell-AS302P-smart-meter.pdf"&gt;Honeywell AS302P Manual&lt;/a&gt;. The UI of the meter is dreadful. There are two buttons:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;A - the select button&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;B - the scroll down button&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In order to go "back" in the menu, you need to scroll down to the menu item which says back and then hit A.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Zigbee-info-from-Honeywell-manual-fs8.png" alt="Zigbee info from Honeywell manual." width="577" height="446" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-34599"&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There's lots of info in there. I've redacted the PAN, XPAN, Network Info, and EUID for privacy:
&lt;img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Zigbee-menu-items.jpg" alt="Zigbee menu items." width="440" height="520" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-34601"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But here's the interesting one - the ability to leave the existing network!
&lt;img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Zigbee-leave-menu-screen.-Yes-or-No-options.jpg" alt="Zigbee leave menu screen. Yes or No options." width="440" height="260" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-34602"&gt;
I'm not yet brave enough to press it. First, I need to &lt;a href="https://amzn.to/4ih09uf"&gt;buy a Zigbee receiver&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io"&gt;learn how the software works&lt;/a&gt;. Wish me luck!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title><![CDATA[Mixing Hue and Innr Smart Lights]]></title>
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				<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terence Eden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2019 12:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I really wanted to write a rant about how incompatible smart lights are ruining the world. But... errr... Everything just works.  Previously on my smarthome adventures, I kitted my house out with LIFX Bulbs and some WisQo Switches. I&#039;ve moved home and none of my bulbs are compatible with the existing sockets!  What else am I going to do except BUY MORE LIGHTBULBS!  As much as I enjoy LIFX,…]]></description>
										<content:encoded>&lt;p&gt;I &lt;em&gt;really&lt;/em&gt; wanted to write a rant about how incompatible smart lights are ruining the world. But... errr... Everything just works.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Previously on my smarthome adventures, I kitted my house out with &lt;a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/tag/lifx/"&gt;LIFX Bulbs&lt;/a&gt; and some &lt;a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2017/05/internet-connected-lightswitches-redux/"&gt;WisQo Switches&lt;/a&gt;. I've moved home and &lt;em&gt;none&lt;/em&gt; of my bulbs are compatible with the existing sockets!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;What else am I going to do except BUY MORE LIGHTBULBS!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As much as I enjoy LIFX, they're bloody expensive. A single GU10 bulb is FIFTY QUID!  Our new kitchen has 17 bulbs. Even if bought in bulk, that would cost me £765.  Forget that noise!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, I've gone with the Philips Hue system.  The &lt;a href="https://amzn.to/2oRKWdX"&gt;hub was just under £50 on Amazon&lt;/a&gt;.  The bulbs use &lt;a href="https://zigbee.org/"&gt;Zigbee&lt;/a&gt; rather than WiFi - which makes them cheaper and more energy efficient.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But &lt;a href="https://amzn.to/2APqOf8"&gt;Hue's GU10 bulbs cost about £20 each&lt;/a&gt; - that's still quite expensive.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Luckily, Zigbee is an open protocol, and there are loads of manufacturers of compatible bulbs.  I found a &lt;a href="https://amzn.to/2AO6OK8"&gt;fourpack of Zigbee GU10 for £40&lt;/a&gt; - a tenner per bulb. A fifth of the price of LIFX.
&lt;img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Hue-hub-and-Innr-lights.jpeg" alt="A lot of boxes." width="680" height="649" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-32929"&gt;
Would they work together?  Yup.  I don't have anything to rant about. I configured the hub, installed the app, plugged in the bulbs, and - boom! - they were instantly discovered and started working.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are three very minor niggles.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ol&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Amazon Alexa went absolutely bananas. Discovering all those bulbs at once prompted her to keep saying "I have discovered a new light bulb. You can use it by saying..." Imagine that close to 20 times.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The Innr bulbs don't support firmware updates unless you have the Innr hub.  That's probably not a huge problem. Their &lt;a href="https://innr.com/pages/support"&gt;website says&lt;/a&gt;: "so far it has never been necessary to do a firmware update. All Innr lamps have the latest firmware approved and certified by Zigbee Alliance."
I guess I'll buy and return a hub if necessary.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The dimming curve is slightly uneven. Using the Hue app's manual control, I can fade the lights out gently. When I turn them off, they dim quickly to about 25% brightness and then shut off. Bit weird, but not a dealbreaker.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ol&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you can recommend a cheap supplier of Zigbee lights - or any other Zigbee gadgets - please let me know.&lt;/p&gt;
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