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		<title><![CDATA[Who is responsible for missing money?]]></title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2025 11:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a simple rule of thumb when it comes to news reports. The real story is always in the penultimate paragraph.  Let&#039;s look at this inflammatory headline:  Woman’s &#039;spree&#039; after $158k banking error, refuses to return pensioner’s life savings An Auckland beneficiary is under investigation for an alleged “spending spree” after $158,000 was mistakenly transferred to her account.  […] pensioner lo…]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a simple rule of thumb when it comes to news reports. The <em>real</em> story is always in the penultimate paragraph.</p>

<p>Let's look at this inflammatory headline:</p>

<blockquote><h2 id="womans-spree-after-158k-banking-error-refuses-to-return-pensioners-life-savings"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2025/04/who-is-responsible-for-missing-money/#womans-spree-after-158k-banking-error-refuses-to-return-pensioners-life-savings">Woman’s 'spree' after $158k banking error, refuses to return pensioner’s life savings</a></h2>
<p>An Auckland beneficiary is under investigation for an alleged “spending spree” after $158,000 was mistakenly transferred to her account.
</p><p> […] pensioner lost his life savings due to an account number error.
</p><p>The account number provided to Westpac had only 15 digits, not the intended 16, so Westpac added a zero to the suffice [sic] as per its usual protocols.
</p><p><a href="https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/auckland-pensioner-loses-158k-after-accidentally-sending-life-savings-to-wrong-account/">Newstalk ZB</a>
</p></blockquote>

<p>Wow! That seems pretty bad. Obviously the woman who allegedly received the money and then spent it shouldn't have done that. Spending money that doesn't belong to you is a crime in most parts of the world.  But let's focus on the <em>real</em> villain here - the evil bank!!</p>

<p>Why did the bank make the decision to add an extra digit to the recipient's account number?</p>

<p>An <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_bank_account_number">NZ bank account number</a> looks like <code>BB-bbbb-AAAAAAA-SSS</code>.</p>

<p>The <a href="https://www.paymentsnz.co.nz/resources/industry-registers/bank-branch-register/">first two digits are the banking institution and the next four are the specific branch</a>. The seven digit account number relates to the <em>specific</em> account. The three digit suffix is for the <em>type</em> of account. For example, your spending account might have suffix <code>001</code> and your savings account might have suffix <code>099</code>.</p>

<p>However, because all suffices have a leading zero, <a href="https://www.kiwibank.co.nz/help/accounts/open-manage/account-numbers/">it is often only displayed as two</a>.</p>

<p>So, adding an extra zero to the suffix itself shouldn't have caused a problem. It would have gone to the correct recipient although it might have either gone to the wrong sub-account.  Indeed, WestPac's help page on international transfers says "<a href="https://www.westpac.co.nz/foreign-exchange/send-money-to-or-from-overseas/#sending-money-from-overseas">if your account suffix is 12, enter 012</a>".  It sounds like the journalist hasn't quite understood where the insertion happened.</p>

<p>It seems likely to me that the victim meant to type <code>1234567-001</code> but missed a digit, causing WestPac to shift things to <code>1235670-01</code>. That's poorly formatted but technically valid.</p>

<p>But, wait! Don't bank account numbers have checksums? Yes!  According to NZ's internal revenue, all bank account numbers have a check-digit. However, when checking an account number's validity:</p>

<blockquote><p>If less than the maximum number of digits is supplied, then values are right justified and the fields padded with zeroes</p>

<p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20181009211542/https://www.ird.govt.nz/resources/9/d/9d739cde-ad76-4c49-ae08-522c62d94dd6/rwt-nrwt-spec-2016.pdf">Bank account number validation</a></p></blockquote>

<p>Having played around with the algorithm, the first few digits of the account number aren't included in the checksum validation. For example, the account number <code>1234567</code> and <code>0234567</code> both pass checksumming. So it is possible that padding the <em>start</em> of the string wouldn't have been picked up.</p>

<p>Whatever the underlying issue, it is distressing to hear of someone losing a significant amount of money.</p>

<h2 id="what-could-have-stopped-this"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2025/04/who-is-responsible-for-missing-money/#what-could-have-stopped-this">What could have stopped this?</a></h2>

<p>Humans make mistakes. As an industry, we know this. It's our job to prevent, rectify, and neutralise those mistake.  We need systems in place which reduce the likelihood of errors causing catastrophic failures.</p>

<p>Here are some systemic changes which could have prevented this:</p>

<ol>
<li>New Zealand could adopt the IBAN standard for international transfers.

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.bnz.co.nz/support/international/payments/made-to-new-zealand">They don't seem keen on doing this</a>.</li>
<li>It wouldn't prevent mistyping, but a standardised length makes transferring to the wrong account less likely.</li>
</ul></li>
<li>Confirmation of Payee asks the user to type in the name of the intended recipient. If it doesn't match the bank account, the payment is rejected or cautioned against.

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.getverified.co.nz/">NZ <em>is</em> rolling out CoP</a> but it doesn't yet apply to international transfers.</li>
<li>Multi-lingual CoP is complex. I don't know if any cross-border payments do this yet.</li>
</ul></li>
<li>WestPac should have noticed the name discrepancy.

<ul>
<li>This is the argument I have the most sympathy with.</li>
<li>Of course, returning the money (especially to a closed account) may be difficult.</li>
</ul></li>
</ol>

<p>Large systems changes are expensive and time consuming.</p>

<p>What else could have been done? Let's go to the final few sentences of the story:</p>

<blockquote><p>Unfortunately, the incorrect bank account number <em>provided by Che</em> was a valid account number for another customer, Westpac said.
</p><p>“As soon as Mr Che alerted us to the issue, we traced the payment and froze the remaining funds.”
</p><p>But Westpac was unable to recover the rest of Che’s money due to the <em>seven-week delay in reporting his error</em> to the banks.
</p><p><small>Emphasis added</small></p></blockquote>

<p>I'm not trying to victim blame here, but WestPac seem to have done what was asked for them. The sender provided an ambiguous bank account number which was, nevertheless, valid.</p>

<p>The sender didn't raise an issue for <strong>seven weeks</strong>. Once notified, the bank froze the recipient account and notified the police.</p>

<p>Yes, big evil banks should be less evil. But they're in a tough spot. People want protection, <a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2023/03/who-can-tell-you-what-to-do-with-your-money/">but they resent banks telling them what they can and can't do with their own money</a>. Big systemic change is difficult but it seems crushingly unfair when an innocent party is caught in the middle.</p>

<p>I don't think anyone comes out of this covered in glory. Banks need to invest in technology which keeps their customers safe. Customers need to take some responsibility for checking whether a bank has done the right thing.</p>

<p>The only tips I can give is that you must always copy &amp; paste financial details from a trusted source, rather than manually type them in. Always send a small amount first to check it is received. If you suspect a mistake, contact your bank immediately.</p>

<p>Stay safe out there.</p>
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		<title><![CDATA[Calling BS on Banks]]></title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
				<category><![CDATA[politics]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s Time To Switch  Banks are fucking us over.  They gamble with our money, lose it, ask us for a bail out, lose more money, then ask us for yet another bail out! They are resisting even the very modest changes the government is imposing on them.  No more.  We have a very easy way to stop the banks pissing about with our money.  Take our money from them.  I&#039;m not talking about taking out your…]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2 id="its-time-to-switch"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2011/11/calling-bs-on-banks/#its-time-to-switch">It's Time To Switch</a></h2>

<p><a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20111130181814/http://occupylsx.org/">Banks are fucking us over</a>.</p>

<p>They gamble with our money, lose it, ask us for a bail out, lose more money, then ask us for <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-15611429">yet another bail out</a>!<br>
They are <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13034743">resisting even the very modest changes</a> the government is imposing on them.</p>

<p>No more.</p>

<p>We have a very easy way to stop the banks pissing about with our money.  Take our money from them.</p>

<p>I'm not talking about taking out your savings for a few days. I'm talking about a permanent withdrawal of our consent.  We take our money and we move it elsewhere.  Move our money to somewhere safe, ethical, and local.</p>

<p>I think that it's time to move all our money to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Building_Society">Building Societies</a>.</p>

<h2 id="building-societies-are-better-than-banks"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2011/11/calling-bs-on-banks/#building-societies-are-better-than-banks">Building Societies Are Better Than Banks</a></h2>

<p>Building societies are <strong>owned by their members</strong>. If you're a saver or a borrower, you get a vote in how the business is run. That means there are no excessive profits, no fat cat bankers taking extortionate bonuses, and no gouging fees.</p>

<p>Building societies are <strong>safer</strong>.  Banks try to make money by gambling on the stock market and the wholesale money markets.  The Northern Rock bank gambled 75% of its customers' money - the average building society has 30% from the money markets.  By law, the maximum that a building society can gamble is 50%.</p>

<p>Building societies are <strong>friendlier</strong>.  They're all based in the UK, have UK call centres, and - because they're not beholden to shareholders - dedicated to serving their customers.</p>

<p>Building societies offer the same services as banks.</p>

<h2 id="quick-comparison"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2011/11/calling-bs-on-banks/#quick-comparison">Quick Comparison</a></h2>

<table>
   <tbody><tr>
      <th>Features</th>
      <th>Building Societies</th>
      <th>Banks</th>
   </tr>
   <tr>
      <td>Current Accounts</td>
      <td>✔</td>
      <td>✔</td>
   </tr>
   <tr>
      <td>Mortgages</td>
      <td>✔</td>
      <td>✔</td>
   </tr>
   <tr>
      <td>Saving</td>
      <td>✔</td>
      <td>✔</td>
   </tr>
   <tr>
      <td>Internet Banking</td>
      <td>✔</td>
      <td>✔</td>
   </tr>
   <tr>
      <td>Ethical Investments</td>
      <td>✔</td>
      <td>✗</td>
   </tr>
   <tr>
      <td>Community focussed</td>
      <td>✔</td>
      <td>✗</td>
   </tr>
   <tr>
      <td>Risk your savings in a casino</td>
      <td>✗</td>
      <td>✔</td>
   </tr>
</tbody></table>

<h2 id="are-there-any-building-societies-left"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2011/11/calling-bs-on-banks/#are-there-any-building-societies-left">Are There Any Building Societies Left?</a></h2>

<p>Yes!</p>

<p>There are <a href="https://www.bsa.org.uk/about-us/bsa-members">47 Building Societies in the UK</a>.</p>

<p>Chances are, you have a branch of the Nationwide near you - but there are many smaller, local institutions you can do your banking with.</p>

<p>Most of them offer Internet and telephone banking, all of them let you withdraw your cash from any ATM,</p>

<h2 id="didnt-lots-of-building-societies-become-banks"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2011/11/calling-bs-on-banks/#didnt-lots-of-building-societies-become-banks">Didn't Lots of Building Societies Become Banks?</a></h2>

<p>Yes, <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20110602165926/https://www.bsa.org.uk/faq/carpetbagger.htm">many people</a> thought that turning Building Societies into banks would be a great idea.</p>

<p>They were wrong.</p>

<p>There were several <a href="https://www.bsa.org.uk/information/consumer-factsheets/general-information/list-of-demutualised-building-societies">Building Societies which turned into banks</a>.  You can judge for yourselves whether they offer superior products or excellent customer services, but of those 10...</p>

<ul>
    <li>One was acquired by Barclays.</li>
    <li>Two had to be bailed out by the government.</li>
    <li>Three were bought by Lloyds.</li>
    <li>Four were taken over by Santander.</li>
</ul>

<h2 id="whats-stopping-you"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2011/11/calling-bs-on-banks/#whats-stopping-you">What's Stopping You?</a></h2>

<p>Switching accounts is fast, easy, and free.  The <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20111017132938/http://www.fsa.gov.uk/pages/consumerinformation/product_news/banking/know_your_rights/moving/index.shtml">FSA has has an excellent guide</a>, but here are the basics.</p>

<p>Your old bank will only have three working days to start to process of moving you to your new building society. Your direct debits and standing orders will be transferred.</p>

<p>Once your application has been approved, the building society will have ten working days to set your new account.</p>

<p>The whole process will take less than two weeks.  A fortnight to make a change for the better.</p>

<p>I've done it - what's stopping you?</p>

<p>Make the switch now.</p>
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		<title><![CDATA[RBS Treat QR Codes Like They Treat Our Cash]]></title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 10:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
				<category><![CDATA[qr]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh RBS! Is there anything you touch that doesn&#039;t turn to shit?  You take our money, lose it, then pay it out to yourself.  Still, at least your latest advert contains a QR code.  Bet you haven&#039;t managed to screw that up.  Oh...  On the back page of the 25 February 2011 edition of the City AM newspaper, is this lovely specimen.  Thankfully, City AM have placed their paper under CC BY NC.  Let&#039;s…]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh RBS! Is there anything you touch that doesn't turn to shit?  You <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/feb/24/rbs-bankers-bonuses-despite-loss">take our money, lose it, then pay it out to yourself</a>.  Still, at least your latest advert contains a QR code.  Bet you haven't managed to screw that up.</p>

<p>Oh...</p>

<p>On the back page of the <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120225073719/https://www.cityam.com/issue/2011-02-25">25 February 2011 edition of the City AM newspaper</a>, is this lovely specimen.
<img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/RBS-Full-Page-in-City-AM.jpg" alt="" title="RBS Full Page in City AM" width="417" height="574" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3669">
Thankfully, City AM have placed their paper under <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/deed.en_US">CC BY NC</a>.</p>

<p>Let's take a zoom in on the code and the instructions that accompany it.
<img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/RBS-QR-Instructions.jpg" alt="RBS QR Instructions" title="RBS QR Instructions" width="553" height="42" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3666"><img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/RBS-QR-Detail.png" alt="RBS QR Detail" title="RBS QR Detail" width="132" height="132" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3665"></p>

<h2 id="you-know-whats-coming-next-dont-you"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2011/02/rbs-treat-qr-codes-like-they-treat-our-cash/#you-know-whats-coming-next-dont-you">You Know What's Coming Next, Don't You?</a></h2>

<p>I knew, before I even scanned in this code what the result would be.  I bet you do too.
<img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/RBS-non-mobile-website.jpg" alt="RBS non-mobile website" title="RBS non-mobile website" width="480" height="486" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-3668"></p>

<p>Just... why bother? How much of our money did this atrocity cost?  A full-fat web page that's expensive to download, slow to render, complicated to navigate, and generally useless.</p>

<p>RBS - rather than <a href="https://www.ft.com/content/f2e6f74a-35e0-32e2-b0e4-ee7863e0ab81">paying millions in fines for your rotten practices</a> and <a href="http://www.no-tar-sands.org/?page_id=5">investing in the highly polluting Tar Sands project</a> - why not spend a few quid on a decent mobile website?</p>
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