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		<title><![CDATA[Thames Water don't get password security]]></title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Dec 2019 07:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thames Water seem to love giving me a new account number each month. That would be fine, but each time they do, I have to manually add that number to my online account.  I&#039;m bored of being their data-entry monkey. So, when they rang today, I told them that I expected them to update my account.  We had the normal back-and-forth and &#34;let me speak to your manager&#34; that accompanies anything deviating …]]></description>
										<content:encoded>&lt;p&gt;Thames Water seem to love giving me a new account number each month. That would be fine, but each time they do, I have to &lt;em&gt;manually&lt;/em&gt; add that number to my online account.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I'm bored of being their data-entry monkey. So, when they rang today, I told them that I expected them to update my account.  We had the normal back-and-forth and "let me speak to your manager" that accompanies anything deviating off-script.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A manager called back, we went though account verification, I confirmed I was recording the call, and this is what she said:&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;We have spoken to our compliance department and if you give us your email address and also your password we can go on and update the new account number for you.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I confirmed - they wanted me to read out my whole password. Not just the 4th and 17th character - the whole thing. I - probably a little too rudely - informed them that wasn't happening and, frankly, I didn't believe that either their data protection team nor their IT security team thought it was a good idea.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To be fair, this isn't the fault of the Customer Service agent. She obviously seems reluctant to ask for the password, but has been given some extremely dodgy advice by someone.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, we came up with a compromise. They would reset my password, log in to my account, fiddle around with it, and then call me with the new password.  And so they did.&lt;/p&gt;

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&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Tango hotel alpha mike echo sierra one two three&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Foolproof!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Let's count the obvious errors....&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Don't make your customers do work which you could automate.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Don't train your customers to take dangerous risks when it comes to online security.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Don't use easily guessable defaults when resetting passwords.&lt;/li&gt;
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