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		<title><![CDATA[Outdated Advice For Job Applicants]]></title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2021 11:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was recently asked to look at some advice for new graduates entering the workforce. It was the usual mix of helpful, obvious, and trite. You know the sort - tailor your application to the job specification, make sure your CV is spelled correctly, don&#039;t give up, etc.  In the middle of it, was this doozy. &#34;Put your application in a gold coloured envelope so it stands out from the crowd!&#34;  This…]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was recently asked to look at some advice for new graduates entering the workforce. It was the usual mix of helpful, obvious, and trite. You know the sort - tailor your application to the job specification, make sure your CV is spelled correctly, don't give up, etc.</p>

<p>In the middle of it, was this doozy. "Put your application in a gold coloured envelope so it stands out from the crowd!"</p>

<p>This struck me as… <em>unusual</em> advice. But I checked against the Twitter hive mind.</p>

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<p>I remember, during my first job hunt, being told by well-meaning advisers to "walk into the office, ask to speak to the manager, and hand over your CV! Remember a firm handshake!"</p>

<p>Even at the fag-end of the last century (why am I <em>so old?!</em>) this was objectively terrible advice.  Most places wanted you to fill in a standardised application form. Sure, there were a handful of small places which would take an unsolicited CV - but they were extremely rare. And, frankly, not the sort of places which would be a springboard for a career.</p>

<p>Today... I can't even remember the last time I posted off a job application. Most of the things I see don't even have a postal address available. It's either "fill in this crappy online form…" or "send an email to…" or "attend this webinar to register…"</p>

<p>I've run dozens of recruitment campaigns - at senior and junior level - and I can't <em>ever</em> remember receiving a physical application form.</p>

<p>Would there be some novelty in receiving a coloured envelope? Sure! But I doubt I'd see it. Assuming the mail reached the right member of staff (who is probably WFH) - they'll be on the HR team. They're not going to care about one envelope - just whether you've put the right keywords to make it past the sift.</p>

<p>Of course, maybe my rarefied tech-industry lifestyle has left me ignorant to what things are like in the "real world". I don't doubt there are <em>some</em> industries where turning up unsolicited with a CV is a good way to get a foot in the door. And I'm sure some businesses run mainly on snail-mail. And having an online-<strong>only</strong> application discriminates against the digitally excluded.</p>

<p>But giving this sort of outdated advice to new entrants in the job market is just cruel.</p>
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		<title><![CDATA[Dear Recruitment Consultants]]></title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Sep 2011 14:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I regularly get contacted by recruitment consultants.  Even though I&#039;m very happy in my job right now (Hi Boss!) I usually don&#039;t mind being contacted.  However, after having just had a particularly disturbing encounter with a recruiter, I thought it might be worth stating these rules up front.  These are personal to me - but I expect they apply pretty broadly to most people.       Don&#039;t email my…]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I regularly get contacted by recruitment consultants.  Even though I'm very happy in my job right now (Hi Boss!) I usually don't mind being contacted.</p>

<p>However, after having just had a particularly disturbing encounter with a recruiter, I thought it might be worth stating these rules up front.  These are personal to me - but I expect they apply pretty broadly to most people.</p>

<ol>
    <li>Don't email my work address.</li>
    <li>Tell me who your client is up front.</li>
    <li>Don't lie to me.</li>
    <li>Don't alter my CV.</li>
<li>Don't "connect" on LinkedIn.</li>
    <li>Spell my name correctly.</li>
</ol>

<p>Let's take them in order.</p>

<h2 id="contact"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2011/09/dear-recruitment-consultants/#contact">Contact</a></h2>

<p>Don't email me at work.  You don't know if my boss monitors my email.  You don't know if I'm in the middle of a presentation - where having an Outlook Pop-up of "New Role For You" could be a career limiting move.</p>

<p>This is just basic manners.  I don't know a single reputable recruiter who would contact a prospective client at work.</p>

<p>Oh, and ringing my work number and telling the receptionist that you've got a job for me? Not smart.</p>

<p>Don't bother contacting me through <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/TerenceEden">my LinkedIn profile</a>.  If you can't find my phone number and email address, I don't want you representing me.  I'm not going to add you as a contact until after you get me a job - although I'll happily introduce you to other suitable candidates if I can.</p>

<h2 id="who"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2011/09/dear-recruitment-consultants/#who">Who</a></h2>

<p>I've pissed off a lot of recruiters by asking this simple question.  I have my reasons.</p>

<p>To start with, there are certain companies I don't want to work for.  In addition, I can't craft a CV or application unless I know who it is going to.</p>

<p>I've no desire to work hard on an application only to find out the role is for a company which tests cosmetic cigarettes on kittens.</p>

<p>Second, and more prosaically, I need to know where it is in order that I can see if I want to commute there.</p>

<p>Essentially, after a lot of effort, I don't want to find that you want me to work on the outskirts of Wapping for the News of the World.</p>

<p>Very occasionally, I let the recruiter play the "I can't tell you - but I'll give you a clue" game.  That's where they don't break client confidentiality - but say "A large religious organisation whose nearest Tube station is Goodge Street."  That way I don't waste anyone's time by applying to the <a href="http://www.xenu.net/">Scientologists</a>.</p>

<h2 id="dont-lie"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2011/09/dear-recruitment-consultants/#dont-lie">Don't Lie</a></h2>

<p>Don't tell me you have a killer job at NASA when you don't.  Because, regardless of the company, I'll check it out myself to see if the job really exists - or if you just want to put more clients on your books.</p>

<p>Don't say that they're looking for senior position when they want a junior.</p>

<p>Don't say they're willing to pay top-dollar.  Give me the salary bands and let me discuss that with the company.</p>

<p>Don't say they're happy for me to serve a 3 month notice period - when they need someone to start ASAP.</p>

<p>Annoyingly, I've had all of the above happen to me.</p>

<h2 id="my-cv"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2011/09/dear-recruitment-consultants/#my-cv">My CV</a></h2>

<p>I wouldn't claim my CV is a work of art - but I've spent some time perfecting it.  It's designed to get me through the door and in to an interview - and it works.</p>

<p>I'm always happy to take advice about what sort of parts to emphasise but I'm not going to drastically change it.</p>

<p>If you really want me to take off my phone number and email address, I won't.  Any competent company will Google me to find it.</p>

<p>Do not, under any circumstances, alter what I put on there.  If I go to an interview am asked about something which I didn't include on my original CV, I will not be best pleased.</p>

<p>I now, as a rule, only provide PDF CVs.  That way, there's less chance of a recruiter altering my work.</p>

<h2 id="linkedin"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2011/09/dear-recruitment-consultants/#linkedin">LinkedIn</a></h2>

<p>If I haven't worked with you - I'm not going to connect with you.  If nothing else, it sends off a big red flag to my co-workers that I'm planning on moving.</p>

<p>If you try to connect to me on LinkedIn, it tells me two things about you.</p>

<ol>
<li>You're too cheap to <a href="http://www.linkedin.com/static?key=about_inmail">buy InMail</a>.  You don't need to send me a bogus request - you can pay to email me.</li>
<li>You couldn't be bothered to do an Internet search for my email address.</li>
</ol>

<p>In either case, the answer is the same; "no"!</p>

<h2 id="spelling"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2011/09/dear-recruitment-consultants/#spelling">Spelling</a></h2>

<p>Bonus! <a href="https://twitter.com/MatStace/status/117022260556079104">Suggested by Mat Stace</a>.</p>

<blockquote><p>If a job pimp sends unsolicited email, and spells your name incorrectly, it's fine to be a bit rude in your reply, right?</p></blockquote>

<p>I get this <em>so</em> often. My name is "Terence". Get the right number of Es and Rs, please. Note: the letter A should be conspicuous in its absence.</p>

<h2 id="conclusion"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2011/09/dear-recruitment-consultants/#conclusion">Conclusion</a></h2>

<p>I'm always happy to hear from recruiters - as long as they're happy to follow the above rules.</p>

<p>If I can't take the job you're offering, I'll be happy to recommend someone else.</p>
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