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		<title><![CDATA[Whatever happened to IoT smoke alarms?]]></title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2021 11:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve had a Nest smoke alarm for about 7 years. It connects to my WiFi network and occasionally pings a message to my phone that I&#039;ve burnt my toast. Nifty!  But, due to planned obsolescence regulatory requirements, it needs to be replaced.    Back in 2014, the Nest cost £100.  In the exciting world of 2021, it costs... £100!  WTAF? Surely a combination of market capitalism and Moore&#039;s Law means t…]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've had a Nest smoke alarm for about 7 years. It connects to my WiFi network and occasionally pings a message to my phone that I've burnt my toast. Nifty!</p>

<p>But, due to <del>planned obsolescence</del> regulatory requirements, it needs to be replaced.</p>

<img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/ExfxsNlWgAEFnzq.jpeg" alt="In app warning that my Nest smoke alarm needs replacing." width="674" height="680" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-38597">

<p>Back in 2014, <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/04/nest-halts-sales-of-protect-smoke-and-carbon-monoxide-alarm-on-safety-fears">the Nest cost £100</a>.</p>

<p>In the exciting world of 2021, it costs... <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20201111223140/https://store.google.com/gb/product/nest_protect_2nd_gen">£100</a>!</p>

<p>WTAF? Surely a combination of market capitalism and Moore's Law means these devices should have dropped in price significantly?  But I can't find any other Wi-Fi smoke/co alarms for sale in the UK.  Why is that?</p>

<p>(There's a <a href="https://amzn.to/2POmasG">Netamo WiFi smoke detector for £90</a> - but it doesn't do carbon monoxide.)</p>

<p>A basic smoke &amp; carbon monoxide detector is about £20 retail. There are hundreds of models at that price point.</p>

<p>A basic ESP32 WiFi board is a fiver. Call it a tenner if you want something like a Raspberry Pi Zero W.</p>

<p>Add in the cost of running some servers, and you're barely scraping £50.  Surely there's someone out there who wants to sell a million of these things?</p>

<p>But, I think I can understand why there aren't loads of these for sale:</p>

<ul>
<li>Low market desire. While not exactly Internet Fridge territory - there isn't a huge desire for mostly passive IoT devices. Things like flood sensors and open-window detectors just don't seem to interest people.</li>
<li>Compliance and insurance. I assume there's a high cost of certification for these things. And if someone's house burns down, but the detector didn't warn them, then insurance companies start to fight.</li>
<li>Software is hard. <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/04/nest-halts-sales-of-protect-smoke-and-carbon-monoxide-alarm-on-safety-fears">Nest had a troubled history</a>. Apps need constant updating. Which either means a high cost for the device, or tying people into a subscription plan.</li>
<li>Patents. I'm sure Google has a bunch of these and it probably scares off most competitors.</li>
<li>Wi-Fi complexity. Wi-Fi is power hungry - which makes it hard to run on in-built batteries. It is also difficult to configure for the user - lots of faffing around with apps and having to reconfigure the device when your wireless password changes.</li>
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<h2 id="alternatives"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2021/04/whatever-happened-to-iot-smoke-alarms/#alternatives">Alternatives</a></h2>

<p><a href="https://zigbeealliance.org/">ZigBee</a> is the low power, low cost, short range radio network for IoT. Found in lots of lightbulbs and other things. The downside is that it needs a central hub in your home in order to connect to the network. In theory, any hub should connect to any ZigBee devices - I use a bunch of <a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2019/11/mixing-hue-and-innr-smart-lights/">generic lightbulbs with my Hue hub</a>.</p>

<p>But the reality is slightly different from the theory. I can't find any ZigBee smoke/co detectors for sale in the UK. There are a bunch which claim to work, which can be shipped direct from China. But they rarely have the requisite safety certification, and they all seem to need their own proprietary hub.</p>

<p>The <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210203182010/https://getroost.com/product-battery.html">Roost Battery</a> is a WiFi enabled battery suitable for placing in smoke alarms. When it detects a power draw that indicates the alarm is sounding, it connects to WiFi. But, again, it isn't sold in the UK any more.</p>

<h2 id="now-what"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2021/04/whatever-happened-to-iot-smoke-alarms/#now-what">Now what?</a></h2>

<p>Do I <em>need</em> to be alerted that my house is burning down when I leave lockdown? No, probably not.  But it's fun!
Am I aware of the privacy risks? Yes - and I understand how to mitigate them.
Could I build my own out of a Pi and some scavenged components? Sure - but I can't be bothered.</p>

<p>So, unless one of you clever lot can recommend a smart smoke &amp; carbon mono detector which is available in the UK - it looks like I'm paying the Google Tax for the Nest. Bah!</p>
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		<title><![CDATA[Terrible emails from @nest]]></title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2016 11:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I never tire of telling people how bad my Nest Protect smoke alarm is.  It is a buggy box which requires magic batteries and doesn&#039;t support some of its advertised features. Still, I&#039;ve drilled it on to my ceiling now, so have to put up with it.  This morning, I glanced bleary-eyed at my phone.    OH FUCK! THE HOUSE IS ON FUCKING FIRE AND MY FUCKING NEST ISN&#039;T WORKING!  I sniffed the air. I…]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never tire of telling people how bad my Nest Protect smoke alarm is.  It is a <a href="http://www.dailydot.com/debug/nest-protect-annoying/">buggy box</a> which <a href="https://twitter.com/clurr/status/775660194051350528">requires magic batteries</a> and <a href="https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/nest-halts-sales-because-of-the-protect-smoke-detector-s-wave-to-dismiss-feature.html">doesn't support some of its advertised features</a>. Still, I've drilled it on to my ceiling now, so have to put up with it.</p>

<p>This morning, I glanced bleary-eyed at my phone.</p>

<img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Nest-email-alert-.png" alt="a screenshot of a mobile phone displaying a Nest alert" width="1024" height="807" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-23378">

<p>OH FUCK! THE HOUSE IS ON FUCKING FIRE AND MY FUCKING NEST ISN'T WORKING!</p>

<p>I sniffed the air. I couldn't smell anything strange. Perhaps it is deadly Carbon Monoxide.</p>

<p>I frantically clicked the email to see if I was about to be incinerated or gassed to death.</p>

<img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Nest-marketing-email-.png" alt="A marketing email from nest" width="1024" height="1331" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-23377">

<p>Oh. It's a marketing email. Nest wants me to buy another of their crappy products.</p>

<p>Now, perhaps I should have been more alert - but when I see an email which says "Nest. Smoke Alarm. Critical. Only if working" my first thought isn't "Golly! I sure could do with a few more smoke alarms!"  My first thought, genuinely, was that there was an emergency.</p>

<p>To say that I'm upset with Nest is an understatement.  <a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/03/nest-googles-dollar3-billion-bet-may-be-in-trouble">The company has a troubled history with their products</a> and their <a href="https://twitter.com/edent/status/709115701106229249">repeated inability to deliver a competent experience</a> is leading me to junk their smoke alarm.</p>

<p>If you are making domestic IoT devices, remember you are being <em>invited into someone's home</em>. You are a guest and must behave with respect. To send a deliberately sensationalist email in the early morning is a <strong>gross breach of trust</strong>.</p>
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