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		<title><![CDATA[Whatever happened to IoT smoke alarms?]]></title>
		<link>https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2021/04/whatever-happened-to-iot-smoke-alarms/</link>
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				<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terence Eden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Apr 2021 11:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve had a Nest smoke alarm for about 7 years. It connects to my WiFi network and occasionally pings a message to my phone that I&#039;ve burnt my toast. Nifty!  But, due to planned obsolescence regulatory requirements, it needs to be replaced.    Back in 2014, the Nest cost £100.  In the exciting world of 2021, it costs... £100!  WTAF? Surely a combination of market capitalism and Moore&#039;s Law means t…]]></description>
										<content:encoded>&lt;p&gt;I've had a Nest smoke alarm for about 7 years. It connects to my WiFi network and occasionally pings a message to my phone that I've burnt my toast. Nifty!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But, due to &lt;del&gt;planned obsolescence&lt;/del&gt; regulatory requirements, it needs to be replaced.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/ExfxsNlWgAEFnzq.jpeg" alt="In app warning that my Nest smoke alarm needs replacing." width="674" height="680" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-38597"&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Back in 2014, &lt;a href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/04/nest-halts-sales-of-protect-smoke-and-carbon-monoxide-alarm-on-safety-fears"&gt;the Nest cost £100&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the exciting world of 2021, it costs... &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20201111223140/https://store.google.com/gb/product/nest_protect_2nd_gen"&gt;£100&lt;/a&gt;!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;WTAF? Surely a combination of market capitalism and Moore's Law means these devices should have dropped in price significantly?  But I can't find any other Wi-Fi smoke/co alarms for sale in the UK.  Why is that?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;(There's a &lt;a href="https://amzn.to/2POmasG"&gt;Netamo WiFi smoke detector for £90&lt;/a&gt; - but it doesn't do carbon monoxide.)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A basic smoke &amp;amp; carbon monoxide detector is about £20 retail. There are hundreds of models at that price point.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A basic ESP32 WiFi board is a fiver. Call it a tenner if you want something like a Raspberry Pi Zero W.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Add in the cost of running some servers, and you're barely scraping £50.  Surely there's someone out there who wants to sell a million of these things?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But, I think I can understand why there aren't loads of these for sale:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Low market desire. While not exactly Internet Fridge territory - there isn't a huge desire for mostly passive IoT devices. Things like flood sensors and open-window detectors just don't seem to interest people.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Compliance and insurance. I assume there's a high cost of certification for these things. And if someone's house burns down, but the detector didn't warn them, then insurance companies start to fight.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Software is hard. &lt;a href="https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/apr/04/nest-halts-sales-of-protect-smoke-and-carbon-monoxide-alarm-on-safety-fears"&gt;Nest had a troubled history&lt;/a&gt;. Apps need constant updating. Which either means a high cost for the device, or tying people into a subscription plan.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Patents. I'm sure Google has a bunch of these and it probably scares off most competitors.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Wi-Fi complexity. Wi-Fi is power hungry - which makes it hard to run on in-built batteries. It is also difficult to configure for the user - lots of faffing around with apps and having to reconfigure the device when your wireless password changes.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2 id="alternatives"&gt;&lt;a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2021/04/whatever-happened-to-iot-smoke-alarms/#alternatives"&gt;Alternatives&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href="https://zigbeealliance.org/"&gt;ZigBee&lt;/a&gt; is the low power, low cost, short range radio network for IoT. Found in lots of lightbulbs and other things. The downside is that it needs a central hub in your home in order to connect to the network. In theory, any hub should connect to any ZigBee devices - I use a bunch of &lt;a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2019/11/mixing-hue-and-innr-smart-lights/"&gt;generic lightbulbs with my Hue hub&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;But the reality is slightly different from the theory. I can't find any ZigBee smoke/co detectors for sale in the UK. There are a bunch which claim to work, which can be shipped direct from China. But they rarely have the requisite safety certification, and they all seem to need their own proprietary hub.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The &lt;a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210203182010/https://getroost.com/product-battery.html"&gt;Roost Battery&lt;/a&gt; is a WiFi enabled battery suitable for placing in smoke alarms. When it detects a power draw that indicates the alarm is sounding, it connects to WiFi. But, again, it isn't sold in the UK any more.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2 id="now-what"&gt;&lt;a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2021/04/whatever-happened-to-iot-smoke-alarms/#now-what"&gt;Now what?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Do I &lt;em&gt;need&lt;/em&gt; to be alerted that my house is burning down when I leave lockdown? No, probably not.  But it's fun!
Am I aware of the privacy risks? Yes - and I understand how to mitigate them.
Could I build my own out of a Pi and some scavenged components? Sure - but I can't be bothered.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;So, unless one of you clever lot can recommend a smart smoke &amp;amp; carbon mono detector which is available in the UK - it looks like I'm paying the Google Tax for the Nest. Bah!&lt;/p&gt;
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		<title><![CDATA[Terrible emails from @nest]]></title>
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				<dc:creator><![CDATA[Terence Eden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2016 11:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I never tire of telling people how bad my Nest Protect smoke alarm is.  It is a buggy box which requires magic batteries and doesn&#039;t support some of its advertised features. Still, I&#039;ve drilled it on to my ceiling now, so have to put up with it.  This morning, I glanced bleary-eyed at my phone.    OH FUCK! THE HOUSE IS ON FUCKING FIRE AND MY FUCKING NEST ISN&#039;T WORKING!  I sniffed the air. I…]]></description>
										<content:encoded>&lt;p&gt;I never tire of telling people how bad my Nest Protect smoke alarm is.  It is a &lt;a href="http://www.dailydot.com/debug/nest-protect-annoying/"&gt;buggy box&lt;/a&gt; which &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/clurr/status/775660194051350528"&gt;requires magic batteries&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://slate.com/technology/2014/04/nest-halts-sales-because-of-the-protect-smoke-detector-s-wave-to-dismiss-feature.html"&gt;doesn't support some of its advertised features&lt;/a&gt;. Still, I've drilled it on to my ceiling now, so have to put up with it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This morning, I glanced bleary-eyed at my phone.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Nest-email-alert-.png" alt="a screenshot of a mobile phone displaying a Nest alert" width="1024" height="807" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-23378"&gt;

&lt;p&gt;OH FUCK! THE HOUSE IS ON FUCKING FIRE AND MY FUCKING NEST ISN'T WORKING!&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I sniffed the air. I couldn't smell anything strange. Perhaps it is deadly Carbon Monoxide.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I frantically clicked the email to see if I was about to be incinerated or gassed to death.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Nest-marketing-email-.png" alt="A marketing email from nest" width="1024" height="1331" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-23377"&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh. It's a marketing email. Nest wants me to buy another of their crappy products.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Now, perhaps I should have been more alert - but when I see an email which says "Nest. Smoke Alarm. Critical. Only if working" my first thought isn't "Golly! I sure could do with a few more smoke alarms!"  My first thought, genuinely, was that there was an emergency.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To say that I'm upset with Nest is an understatement.  &lt;a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/03/nest-googles-dollar3-billion-bet-may-be-in-trouble"&gt;The company has a troubled history with their products&lt;/a&gt; and their &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/edent/status/709115701106229249"&gt;repeated inability to deliver a competent experience&lt;/a&gt; is leading me to junk their smoke alarm.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;If you are making domestic IoT devices, remember you are being &lt;em&gt;invited into someone's home&lt;/em&gt;. You are a guest and must behave with respect. To send a deliberately sensationalist email in the early morning is a &lt;strong&gt;gross breach of trust&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
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