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					<description><![CDATA[English is a funny old language. That my mother tongue doesn&#039;t bother with internal consistency doesn&#039;t bother me much - except when it comes to Text-To-Speech.  Using Google Maps to provide route guidance in the UK is a challenging affair.  Driving through Reading, the computerised voice continually mispronounced is as &#34;Reading&#34;.  Err... that is to say, it should have said &#34;ˈrɛdɪŋ&#34; instead it sai…]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>English is a funny old language. That my mother tongue doesn't bother with internal consistency doesn't bother me much - except when it comes to Text-To-Speech.</p>

<p>Using Google Maps to provide route guidance in the UK is a challenging affair.  Driving through Reading, the computerised voice continually mispronounced is as "Reading".</p>

<p>Err... that is to say, it should have said "ˈrɛdɪŋ" instead it said "ˈriːdɪŋ"  - that is, "red-ing" rather than "reed-ing".</p>

<p>Ok, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heteronym_%28linguistics%29">hetronyms</a> are a notoriously difficult to get right - even for humans.  Without context, it's hard to know which pronunciation should be used.</p>

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<p>But, I've heard my sat-nav pronounce "Woking" as "Wokk-ing" rather than the correct "Woe-king".  Vexing to those living there, distracting for those relying on accurate directions.</p>

<p>A few weeks ago, my wife and I learned that a friend of ours was getting married in Canandaigua, New York.  While not as linguistically complex as, say, Poughkeepsie, it caused some consternation in our household.  How can you travel to a location you can't even pronounce?</p>

<p>That's when we stumbled across the curiously named "HowJSay.com" - it supplies audio samples of people speaking particular words.  So now I know how <a href="https://howjsay.com/how-to-pronounce-canandaigua">Canandaigua</a> is pronounced.</p>

<p>I wonder if there is any sensible way to crowd-source pronunciation for a mapping project like <a href="http://www.openstreetmap.org/">OpenStreetMap</a>.  Sadly, Google Maps doesn't have a way to contribute language changes and the less said about Apple Maps the better!</p>

<p>There have been some <a href="http://www.mail-archive.com/talk@openstreetmap.org/msg06287.html">discussion on OpenStreetMap mailing lists</a> (in 2008) and there is <a href="http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Phonetics">a proposed phonetics feature</a> (from 2010).</p>

<p>This is not a minor problem, Wikipedia lists <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_names_in_English_with_counterintuitive_pronunciations#Place_names_in_Britain_and_Ireland">hundreds of UK place names with counter-intuitive pronunciation</a>.</p>

<p>There's no <em>direct</em> harm in a sat-nav mispronouncing a town or street name - although it can be very annoying for anyone expecting the correct vocalisation.</p>

<p>So, should modern maps allow for the correct pronunciation of place names?  I think they should.  That then draws us to an interesting question about regional pronunciation.  An Englishman, Scotsman, and American all walk in to a bar - they each pronounce the word "Edinburgh" very differently.  Who is right?</p>

<p>I leave you with one of <a href="https://talkandtech.blogspot.com/2010/06/hymn-to-heteronyms.html">Richard Lederer's hetronymic poems</a> to enjoy.</p>
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