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		<title><![CDATA[David Willetts Can't Do Maths]]></title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Last week I attended Google&#039;s Big Tent event.  I may write about some of the panels later, but I want to focus on how I flummoxed the Minister for Universities and Science - David &#34;Two Brains&#34; Willetts   (Photo by Paul Clarke)  I posited to the Rt Hon Gentleman, that student loans were crippling the high-tech workforce of the country.  When I graduated, I was unable to get a bank loan for a…]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last week I attended Google's Big Tent event.  I may write about some of the panels later, but I want to focus on how I flummoxed the Minister for Universities and Science - <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Willetts">David "Two Brains" Willetts</a></p>

<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/paul_clarke/7254957532/"><img src="https://live.staticflickr.com/7091/7254957532_a25bdcb0d2.jpg" alt="David Willetts" width="500" height="315"></a>
(Photo by <a href="http://paulclarke.com/">Paul Clarke</a>)</p>

<p>I posited to the Rt Hon Gentleman, that student loans were crippling the high-tech workforce of the country.  When I graduated, I was unable to get a bank loan for a technology start-up due to the level of student loan debt I had accumulated.  With universities now charging £9,000 per year, graduates would be around £30k in debt before they even started to think about setting up a company.</p>

<p>I graduated a decade ago and I'm <em>still</em> paying off my loan.</p>

<p>I'll let the tweets tell the story.</p>

<blockquote class="social-embed" id="social-embed-205252913000484864" lang="en" itemscope="" itemtype="https://schema.org/SocialMediaPosting"><header class="social-embed-header" itemprop="author" itemscope="" itemtype="https://schema.org/Person"><a href="https://twitter.com/adamamyl" class="social-embed-user" itemprop="url"><img class="social-embed-avatar social-embed-avatar-circle" src="data:image/webp;base64,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" alt="" itemprop="image"><div class="social-embed-user-names"><p class="social-embed-user-names-name" itemprop="name">dum spiro spero</p>@adamamyl</div></a><img class="social-embed-logo" alt="Twitter" src="data:image/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%22http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%22%0Aaria-label%3D%22Twitter%22%20role%3D%22img%22%0AviewBox%3D%220%200%20512%20512%22%3E%3Cpath%0Ad%3D%22m0%200H512V512H0%22%0Afill%3D%22%23fff%22%2F%3E%3Cpath%20fill%3D%22%231d9bf0%22%20d%3D%22m458%20140q-23%2010-45%2012%2025-15%2034-43-24%2014-50%2019a79%2079%200%2000-135%2072q-101-7-163-83a80%2080%200%200024%20106q-17%200-36-10s-3%2062%2064%2079q-19%205-36%201s15%2053%2074%2055q-50%2040-117%2033a224%20224%200%2000346-200q23-16%2040-41%22%2F%3E%3C%2Fsvg%3E"></header><section class="social-embed-text" itemprop="articleBody">interesting q on student debt and not being able to get startup loans. first response 'inherited'. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/bigtentuk12">#bigtentuk12</a></section><hr class="social-embed-hr"><footer class="social-embed-footer"><a href="https://twitter.com/adamamyl/status/205252913000484864"><span aria-label="0 likes" class="social-embed-meta">❤️ 0</span><span aria-label="0 replies" class="social-embed-meta">💬 0</span><span aria-label="0 reposts" class="social-embed-meta">🔁 0</span><time datetime="2012-05-23T11:04:42.000Z" itemprop="datePublished">11:04 - Wed 23 May 2012</time></a></footer></blockquote>

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<p>I wasn't the only one who found it amusing that <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20120817050726/http://blog.magus.co.uk/googles-big-tent-event/">David Willetts couldn't do mental arithmetic</a> when trying to calculate loan repayment rates.</p>

<p>Essentially, my points - which Willetts successfully evaded - were:</p>

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    <li>Student debt - and its repayment - negatively impacts graduates who want to get a loan to start a high-tech business.</li>
    <li>Start-ups can't afford to hire top-flight talent.  Because 9% of any earnings over £21,000 go to repaying the debt, graduates ask for a higher salary.</li>
</ul>

<p>Willetts was, theoretically, right. Banks should look at ability to repay.  Someone on £25k is "only" paying back £360 per year.  However, there is a snag. <a href="http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/+/http://www.insolvency.gov.uk/faq/faq.htm#12">Student Loan debts aren't wiped out during bankruptcy</a>.  If your dotCom idea crashes and burns, you're going to have to pay the bank back through any spare income.  Indeed, <a href="http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/moneytaxandbenefits/managingdebt/bankruptcy/dg_187323">your income can be used for three years to help pay your bankruptcy debts, if you can afford it</a>.</p>

<p>But your student loan has to be repaid <em>first</em>.</p>

<p>So you can see why a bank would be reluctant to lend to a graduate.</p>

<p>Most of my knowledge around this comes from chatting to grad, and talking to recruiters.  I'd love to see some hard data on whether banks (informally) look at student loan debt when evaluating business loans.</p>
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