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		<title><![CDATA[HDR on a Pioneer VSX-933]]></title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 May 2024 11:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I bloody hate hardware manufacturers. I wanted to use HDR on my PlayStation 5. The console supports it, my TV supports it, my amp supports it, my cables support it. Yet it wasn&#039;t working.  I tried everything - updating firmware, replacing cables, and even reading the manual. Nothing.  And then I stumbled on the answer thanks to a random forum post.  Perform the following procedure when the unit…]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bloody hate hardware manufacturers. I wanted to use HDR on my PlayStation 5. The console supports it, my TV supports it, my amp supports it, my cables support it. Yet it wasn't working.  I tried everything - updating firmware, replacing cables, and even <em>reading the manual</em>. Nothing.</p>

<p>And then I stumbled on the answer thanks to a <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/hometheater/comments/dx3wf6/pioneer_vsx933_not_able_to_display_4k_60hz/fci6e1g/">random forum post</a>.</p>

<blockquote><p>Perform the following procedure when the unit is on.</p>

<ol>
<li><p>While pressing DIMMER on the main unit, press AUTO/DIRECT to display the current setting on the display. While this is being displayed, while pressing DIMMER on the main unit, repeatedly press AUTO/DIRECT to switch the setting.</p></li>
<li><p>To exit the settings, release your finger. After a few seconds, the display goes out and the switching is complete.</p></li>
</ol></blockquote>

<p>Once the setting was changed to "Enhanced" HDR worked! But why isn't it in the manual? A bit of searching for the text finds a file called <a href="https://jp.pioneer-audiovisual.com/manual/sup/upd/hdmi_4k_pio.pdf">manual/<strong>sup/upd</strong>/hdmi_4k_pio.pdf</a> .</p>

<p>So I assume that this is a <em>supplement</em> meant to <em>update</em> the original manual - it is mentioned as new functionality <a href="https://assets.pioneerhomeusa.com/product-firmware/Firmware_Update_VSX-933_VSX-LX103_02-02-2022.pdf?v=1684719363">introduced after a firmware update</a>. But why isn't it in the <em>main</em> manual?</p>

<p>If you visit the <a href="https://emea.pioneer-av.com/vsx-933">VSX-933 product page</a> you can download the manual, but there's no mention of a supplement or an update.  The original manual was released in 2018, and the supplement in 2019.</p>

<p>I wonder what other features this amp is hiding that Pioneer simply haven't bothered to tell anyone about?</p>
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		<title><![CDATA[HDCP is ridiculously annoying - DRM sucks for consumers]]></title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Jan 2019 14:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I decided to treat myself to an upgraded home cinema experience. But mandatory copy-protection has meant I&#039;ve spend the weekend trying and failing to get things working, rather than watching glorious 4K HDR 10 bit movies.  Here&#039;s the problem:    Why am I getting the error &#34;This content can not be displayed because your TV does not support HDCP 2.2.&#34;?  I have four pieces of kit in the mix, all of…]]></description>
										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I decided to treat myself to an upgraded home cinema experience. But mandatory copy-protection has meant I've spend the weekend trying and failing to get things working, rather than watching glorious 4K HDR 10 bit movies.</p>

<p>Here's the problem:</p>

<img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/TV-showing-error.jpg" alt="TV showing error message." width="1024" height="588" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-31185">

<p>Why am I getting the error "This content can not be displayed because your TV does not support <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection">HDCP 2.2</a>."?</p>

<p>I have four pieces of kit in the mix, all of which claim to support HDCP's Digital Restrictions Management:</p>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://amzn.to/2AHOBOH">Amazon Fire TV Stick</a> - the new 4K version</li>
<li><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2018/11/telnet-control-of-toshiba-smart-tvs/">Toshiba 49U6863</a> - a 4K TV</li>
<li><a href="https://amzn.to/2AGKiTG">Denon AVR-X2500H</a> - a 4K surround sound amp</li>
<li><a href="https://amzn.to/2CkWSrT">HDMI 2.0 cable</a> - an 18Gbps rated cable</li>
</ul>

<p>Easy, right? No!</p>

<p>Here's what <em>does</em> work:
<code>Fire -&gt; TV</code> 
If I plug the Fire Stick directly into the TV, it works! I get 4K HDR. So I'm confident the TV <em>does</em> support HDCP.</p>

<p>Here's what does <em>not</em> work:</p>

<p><code>Fire -&gt; Denon -&gt; HDMI cable -&gt; TV</code>
Causes the Denon to display the "your TV does not support HDCP 2.2." error message when 4K content is played.</p>

<h2 id="is-it-the-cable"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2019/01/hdcp-is-ridiculously-annoying-drm-sucks-for-consumers/#is-it-the-cable">Is it the cable?</a></h2>

<p>The HDMI cable claims to support 4K video. The <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20181222213335/http://www.theaav.com/uploads/2/6/0/1/26016310/denon_hdmi_diagnostics_and_troubleshooting_eng_im_v00.pdf">Denon has a built in cable tester</a> which confirms that the cable meets the "4K (6G)" specification.</p>

<p>The cable is short - under 2 meters - so shouldn't run into any latency issues.</p>

<h2 id="is-it-the-tvs-config"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2019/01/hdcp-is-ridiculously-annoying-drm-sucks-for-consumers/#is-it-the-tvs-config">Is it the TV's config?</a></h2>

<p>I don't think so. There is an HDMI Full Range settings, which I have enabled.</p>

<img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/HDMI-Full-Range-fs8.png" alt="HDMI Full Range While watching from a HDMI source, this feature will be visible. You can use this feature to enhance blackness in the picture." width="1087" height="133" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-31182">

<p>I've set the HDMI input to "Advanced".
<img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Enhanced-fs8.png" alt="Regular and Enhanced options are affecting the colour settings of the selected HDMI source. To be able to watch 4K or HDR/HLG (optional) images from an HDMI source related source setting should be set as Enhanced if the connected device is compatible with HDMI 2.0 and subsequent versions." width="1067" height="228" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-31181"></p>

<p>The Fire seems to think the TV is compatible, and lets me switch to 4K, even when it is going through the Denon.</p>

<p>To be clear, <code>Fire -&gt; Denon -&gt; HDMI cable -&gt; TV (Enhanced)</code> does not show an error on the Fire but shows an error on the Denon about HDCP..</p>

<h2 id="is-it-the-signal-pathway"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2019/01/hdcp-is-ridiculously-annoying-drm-sucks-for-consumers/#is-it-the-signal-pathway">Is it the signal pathway?</a></h2>

<p>Despite Denon's marketing material claiming that every port can do 4K HDR, <a href="https://denon-uk.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4377/~/hdr-passthrough-not-working">their support pages tell a different story</a>!</p>

<p><a href="https://denon-uk.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4377/~/hdr-passthrough-not-working"><img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/DenonCP45-fs8.png" alt="Diagram showing which ports are best." width="1024" height="343" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-31180"></a></p>

<p>I've tried plugging the Fire stick into the closest HDMI port - but it made no difference.</p>

<h2 id="is-it-the-amps-settings"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2019/01/hdcp-is-ridiculously-annoying-drm-sucks-for-consumers/#is-it-the-amps-settings">Is it the amp's settings?</a></h2>

<p>There are dozens of permutations of settings, but I think I've narrowed it down to the essentials.</p>

<p>I've <a href="http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX2500H/EU/EN/GFNFSYafailgul.php">turned off all video processing</a> and set the amp to <a href="http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX2500H/EU/EN/GFNFSYmlxuhedk.php">"bypass" all video processing from the HDMI video path</a>.</p>

<p>I think this is where the problem lies - the <a href="http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX2500H/EU/EN/DRDZSYzvebvotm.php">4K Signal Format</a> setting.</p>

<p>If I set it to "Standard", I can watch 4K video <em>without</em> HDR.</p>

<p>As soon as I set it to "Enhanced", the Denon shows the HDCP error.</p>

<p>The Denon shows the TV as accepting 4K HDR.
<img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/HDMI-output-info.jpg" alt="TV screen showing it accepts 4K." width="1024" height="552" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-31189"></p>

<h2 id="can-you-strip-the-drm"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2019/01/hdcp-is-ridiculously-annoying-drm-sucks-for-consumers/#can-you-strip-the-drm">Can you strip the DRM?</a></h2>

<p>Possibly. Devices like <a href="https://www.hdfury.eu/">Dr HDMI's HD Fury</a> claim they can fix these problems. But I'm loathe to spend another €90 to fix a problem not of my own making.</p>

<h2 id="conclusion"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2019/01/hdcp-is-ridiculously-annoying-drm-sucks-for-consumers/#conclusion">Conclusion?</a></h2>

<p>I have no clue! Either the Fire or the Denon are doing the HDCP handshake incorrectly. Or, perhaps, the TV doesn't handshake when connected to an amp.</p>

<p>You'd think it would be simple to pass a digital signal from one device to another, via a 3rd - but the paranoia of DRM means paying customers have to put up with all manner of user-hostile limitations.</p>

<h2 id="next-steps"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2019/01/hdcp-is-ridiculously-annoying-drm-sucks-for-consumers/#next-steps">Next steps?</a></h2>

<ul>
<li>Both the TV and Amp were purchased from RicherSounds - so I might give them a call to see if they've any ideas.</li>
<li>Amazon support don't think it is a problem with the Fire but will pass my comments onto their engineering team.</li>
<li>I've contacted Toshiba - but they outsource their manufacturing to Vestel, so who knows if I'll ever get an answer.</li>
<li>Denon have promised to contact me in 48 hours.</li>
</ul>

<h2 id="is-it-my-fault-for-being-a-media-snob"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2019/01/hdcp-is-ridiculously-annoying-drm-sucks-for-consumers/#is-it-my-fault-for-being-a-media-snob">Is it my fault for being a media snob?</a></h2>

<p>Well, probably. I should spend less time watching the picture quality, and more time watching the show.</p>

<p>But I'm an innocent customer. I've spent good money to watch high-def media and I'm being stymied because of DRM.</p>

<p>I'd love there to be an <a href="https://hackaday.io/project/20469-modular-open-source-av-receiver">open source AV amp</a> so I could actually be in control of what I watch.</p>

<p>If you've got any smart ideas for how to fix this - please drop me a comment!</p>

<h2 id="update"><a href="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/2019/01/hdcp-is-ridiculously-annoying-drm-sucks-for-consumers/#update"><ins datetime="2019-01-28">Update</ins></a></h2>

<p>I returned the Denon thinking it was faulty and got the <a href="https://amzn.to/2UknBfm">Pioneer VSX-933</a>. Sadly, it also has the same error!
<img src="https://shkspr.mobi/blog/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/HDCP-and-Pioneer.jpg" alt="Error message &quot;This content cannot be dispayed on your TV. Please make sure HDMI connection on your HDCP 2.2.&quot;" width="1024" height="567" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-31324">
So, next steps are to find another 4K HDR source to see if that works, or... I dunno!</p>
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