@fishidwardrobe @Edent To peel back one more layer of the onion: it may well be that they only learnt to enjoy football or drink lager because it's what they believed real men do, and they wanted to become (or appear to be) real men. The stereotype perpetuates itself.I agree with Terence's point that a helpful answer to "how do I do X in Python" seldom begins with the words "Don't use Python." It can do, but it's rare.